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Hi Keith, coops wrote:T Hi yes I have, it is properly 'dithered' so you don't lose any resolution, straight into the power amps it sounds good, really good, personally I prefer it through the L-4000 but I am sure it is just a question of personal taste, nice to hear from you hope you are well, Keith. A digital volume control? With dither? Sounds odd. If this is the case, there would most definitely be a loss of resolution, though the dither would make this less apparent - up to a point. Metric Halo uses a digitally *controlled* analog volume control. Could that be what the Weiss is using? Looking forward to hearing of your comparison between the two. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com
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bdiament wrote:Hi Keith, coops wrote:T Hi yes I have, it is properly 'dithered' so you don't lose any resolution, straight into the power amps it sounds good, really good, personally I prefer it through the L-4000 but I am sure it is just a question of personal taste, nice to hear from you hope you are well, Keith. A digital volume control? With dither? Sounds odd. If this is the case, there would most definitely be a loss of resolution, though the dither would make this less apparent - up to a point. Metric Halo uses a digitally *controlled* analog volume control. Could that be what the Weiss is using? Looking forward to hearing of your comparison between the two. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com There's nothing wrong with digital volume control provided it is correctly implemented , Accuphase, dcs, Meridian all use it .
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Togil wrote:bdiament wrote:Hi Keith, coops wrote:T Hi yes I have, it is properly 'dithered' so you don't lose any resolution, straight into the power amps it sounds good, really good, personally I prefer it through the L-4000 but I am sure it is just a question of personal taste, nice to hear from you hope you are well, Keith. A digital volume control? With dither? Sounds odd. If this is the case, there would most definitely be a loss of resolution, though the dither would make this less apparent - up to a point. Metric Halo uses a digitally *controlled* analog volume control. Could that be what the Weiss is using? Looking forward to hearing of your comparison between the two. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com There's nothing wrong with digital volume control provided it is correctly implemented , Accuphase, dcs, Meridian all use it . Same technique as is used on CD recording itself - usually all processing done at 24-bit resolution and only truncated to 16 bit with dither at the last stage, effectively preserving the correlated resolution of the 24-bit while raising the noise floor by 3dB. You can regularly see tests of CD players digging out decent sinewaves at -106dB despite the raw snr of 16-bit being only 96dB. Dither distribution and frequency shaping a subject for discussion all in itself.
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*Theoretically* yes. In practice, I don't want my DAC adding dither to an already dithered signal. It isn't about the addition of noise (which will be closer to 3.6 dB), it is about the effect of the dither on the audio signal. Very few dithering algorithms in my experience (I've test a few dozen so far) leave timbre and soundstaging information unharmed. This is very easy to hear when one does a direct comparison of the dithered audio with the undithered original. Even with the very best, dither and associated shortening of word length should, in my view, be applied only once - as the very last stage in CD master production. Just my perspective. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com
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Hi Barry, What discs do you use? Simon 
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Hi Simon, darkmatter wrote:Hi Barry, What discs do you use? Simon Sorry for my drifts off topic. I've been using Taiyo Yuden disks (CD-R and DVD-R) for several years and have had good success with them. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com
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bdiament wrote:Hi Simon, darkmatter wrote:Hi Barry, What discs do you use? Simon Sorry for my drifts off topic. I've been using Taiyo Yuden disks (CD-R and DVD-R) for several years and have had good success with them. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com Many thanks Barry, Had some Internet problems today damn nuisance I must try some of those but have not checked UK availability Simon
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bdiament wrote:Hi Simon, darkmatter wrote:Hi Barry, What discs do you use? Simon Sorry for my drifts off topic. I've been using Taiyo Yuden disks (CD-R and DVD-R) for several years and have had good success with them. Best regards, Barry www.soundkeeperrecordings.comwww.barrydiamentaudio.com Not at all the discussion has been appreciated
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darkmatter wrote:Which CDr discs are your favourite, and what would you recommend for audio use? DM Interesting comparison of 12 makes of CDr in a current German magazine, both subjective and measurements ( tracking errors and C1 errors ), the winners MFSL Ultradisc and HHB Gold.
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Togil wrote:darkmatter wrote:Which CDr discs are your favourite, and what would you recommend for audio use? DM Interesting comparison of 12 makes of CDr in a current German magazine, both subjective and measurements ( tracking errors and C1 errors ), the winners MFSL Ultradisc and HHB Gold. Thanks could you post a link to it?
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Thats good. I use the HHB Gold discs only because I have an account with them.
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Bit expensive for me atm £18/10 but may be my only option, any alternatives with performance close to them?
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I used the JVC ones before. I havn't compared them critically but If you want I can send you one. PM me if you do.
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hifi addict wrote:I used the JVC ones before. I havn't compared them critically but If you want I can send you one. PM me if you do. Excellent thanks
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darkmatter wrote:Togil wrote:darkmatter wrote:Which CDr discs are your favourite, and what would you recommend for audio use? DM Interesting comparison of 12 makes of CDr in a current German magazine, both subjective and measurements ( tracking errors and C1 errors ), the winners MFSL Ultradisc and HHB Gold. Thanks could you post a link to it? I think it's only in the hardcopy, www.stereo.de Btw they also emphasise the importance of slow burning (x4)which few players offer nowadays.
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Togil wrote:darkmatter wrote:Togil wrote:darkmatter wrote:Which CDr discs are your favourite, and what would you recommend for audio use? DM Interesting comparison of 12 makes of CDr in a current German magazine, both subjective and measurements ( tracking errors and C1 errors ), the winners MFSL Ultradisc and HHB Gold. Thanks could you post a link to it? I think it's only in the hardcopy, www.stereo.de Btw they also emphasise the importance of slow burning (x4)which few players offer nowadays. Thanks, I agree in my experience the slower the better.
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