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A simple one really. How much have you spent on your music collection, compared to how much you have spent on your current hifi? Best not to include how much you have spent on hifi over the years as I imagine the ratios would start to look rather silly!
At the tender age of 27 I have around 200 albums, a collection which I could probably double over night if I let myself go out and buy everything I wanted. I stop myself doing that, yet I have probably spent about 3x as much on the kit in my current system which I listen to it on. Is this daft? What should be a sensible ratio? Am I alone in the bias I give to where my money gets spent? At the moemnt I am currently lusting over a balanced mains transformer, which I am much more likely to purchase rather than the 200 albums on my wish list. Am I wrong, or is it justifiable to simply want the most out of the music I already own?
(As a side note, this theme popped into my head after watching series 1 of 'I'm Alan Partridge' where he comes back to the travelodge with a B&O hifi and the bellboy says, 'I didn't know you were into music...' It made me think, do we buy hifi because we really enjoy music or do we actually enjoy the hobby side of it more?)
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Joined: 2/2/2009 Posts: 267 Location: uk
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You need to buck your ideas up if you only have 200 albums at 27!
My music buying has peaks and troughs. Living walking distance from Rough Trade helps. I spend roughly £50 per month but in November it was about £250 because of the Kraftwerk reissues. Still, this works out at £600 plus per year. When I was your age it was about £50 per week. I dont always find loads that I really like, I dont buy so many dance 12s anymore because I know that if they are designed for a club I dont get to play them that often at home. If the tracks are outstanding (to me) I will buy them and turn things up! I dont really buy back catalogue, I mainly go for new releases. If I chance upon a second hand record shop I will clear up a lot of back cat stuff. 20 LPs for my £50!
I tend to hang on to my kit. Buy the right piece and you dont need to change it. And once you get to a certain level any improvements cost a lot. I am happy to buy second hand and that helps.
Factor in money spent on gigs, money spent on my home studio (soft synths, MIDI controllers and software updates- I hang on to my Macs as I do my hifi consequently I dont have too much expense here). Money spent on building things that make a noise, recently a gainclone amp and some lunetta noise makers. Books and magazines about music/hifi- it all adds up.
From this I spend less on my hi-fi than the associated products.
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Joined: 2/27/2009 Posts: 46 Location: Bristol
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It may only be 200 albums but I tend to ponder quite a lot over what I buy, so hardly any of my collection isn't held in high esteem. I would gladly spend more on both music and hifi but high living costs and trying to be sensible and saving for a house are stopping me. Once I am settled though things will change!
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Joined: 11/25/2008 Posts: 529 Location: UK
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en1omb wrote:A simple one really. How much have you spent on your music collection, compared to how much you have spent on your current hifi? Best not to include how much you have spent on hifi over the years as I imagine the ratios would start to look rather silly!
At the tender age of 27 I have around 200 albums, a collection which I could probably double over night if I let myself go out and buy everything I wanted. I stop myself doing that, yet I have probably spent about 3x as much on the kit in my current system which I listen to it on. Is this daft? What should be a sensible ratio? Am I alone in the bias I give to where my money gets spent? At the moemnt I am currently lusting over a balanced mains transformer, which I am much more likely to purchase rather than the 200 albums on my wish list. Am I wrong, or is it justifiable to simply want the most out of the music I already own?
(As a side note, this theme popped into my head after watching series 1 of 'I'm Alan Partridge' where he comes back to the travelodge with a B&O hifi and the bellboy says, 'I didn't know you were into music...' It made me think, do we buy hifi because we really enjoy music or do we actually enjoy the hobby side of it more?) If you add my LP's and CD's they comfortably exceed my equipment spend. I'd be worried if they didn't. But I probably spend more each year than either of these by going to actual acoustic-only (no PA) music events - I've got some excellent concert, opera and ballet gigs already booked for this year. Without doing this you're never going to know if your kit has good fidelity to what the original actually sounded like, or to a hypothetical sound which you think it might or ought to have sounded like.
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Joined: 2/2/2009 Posts: 267 Location: uk
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Better to have 200 (so far) you love rather than a "collection" of 5000 random tracks on an ipod. Try your local second had shops for cheap vinyl. I dont know what sort of music you like but you should be catered for locally http://www.spillersrecords.co.uk/about_spillers/ etc.
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Joined: 12/22/2008 Posts: 177 Location: Istanbul
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Over the years, I have lovingly accumulated a sizable music collection, about 3500+ LPs and roughly the same in CDs, and that does not include what I've lost/lent over the years. On the other hand, my present hifi cost me a fortune (many years of hard work might eventually pay-off sometimes) and I think it's worth every penny.
Secondhand is your key to building a good record collection :) I miss Mole Jazz and Cheapo Cheapo records in Soho :(
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Joined: 7/18/2009 Posts: 6 Location: montreal
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en1omb wrote:It may only be 200 albums but I tend to ponder quite a lot over what I buy, so hardly any of my collection isn't held in high esteem. I would gladly spend more on both music and hifi but high living costs and trying to be sensible and saving for a house are stopping me. Once I am settled though things will change! I have listened to thousands of albums over the years with the help of a beautiful FM tuner!
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Joined: 9/18/2008 Posts: 479 Location: Melbourne
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I only have about 2000 CDs and very few LPs. I would probably buy about 10 Cds per month. Nearly all my Cds are first pressings which can get quite expensive.
As far as equipment goes, I am luck that I am into DIY and have very helpful friends in the business. I have spent a LOT of money over the years, but in the last 10 years my outlay has been minimal. Having said that, I am currently building a pair of speakers that are going to cost around $12,000.
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Joined: 10/4/2008 Posts: 228 Location: Oxford
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dcathro wrote:I only have about 2000 CDs and very few LPs. I would probably buy about 10 Cds per month. Nearly all my Cds are first pressings which can get quite expensive.
As far as equipment goes, I am luck that I am into DIY and have very helpful friends in the business. I have spent a LOT of money over the years, but in the last 10 years my outlay has been minimal. Having said that, I am currently building a pair of speakers that are going to cost around $12,000. How do you know what is a first pressing ? Is there a collectors' catalogue ?
Hans
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Joined: 11/18/2008 Posts: 329 Location: Indiana, USA
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It is hard to say as about all my equipment was bought as a dealer or used and my 3000+ LPs go back years. I have possibly 300 CDs. I probably got 20 or 25 last year. More, I didn't count the HM retrospective set, it has that many by itself. But I don't buy regularly as I once did. Many of my favorite artists are no longer issuing new works as they are no longer with us. Alas, we turn into period pieces as we age. I spend a lot more on equipment but also sell at least as much of the things I already had. Spend an absurd amount of time fiddling with what I already have.
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Joined: 11/18/2008 Posts: 329 Location: Indiana, USA
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Togil wrote:dcathro wrote:I only have about 2000 CDs and very few LPs. I would probably buy about 10 Cds per month. Nearly all my Cds are first pressings which can get quite expensive.
As far as equipment goes, I am luck that I am into DIY and have very helpful friends in the business. I have spent a LOT of money over the years, but in the last 10 years my outlay has been minimal. Having said that, I am currently building a pair of speakers that are going to cost around $12,000. How do you know what is a first pressing ? Is there a collectors' catalogue ? After CDs have been out for a while they tend to be reissued at a lower price, I took that to be the meaning. If there is a separate market for 1st edition CDs I would like to know about it too.
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Joined: 9/18/2008 Posts: 479 Location: Melbourne
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hifistan wrote:Togil wrote:dcathro wrote:I only have about 2000 CDs and very few LPs. I would probably buy about 10 Cds per month. Nearly all my Cds are first pressings which can get quite expensive.
As far as equipment goes, I am luck that I am into DIY and have very helpful friends in the business. I have spent a LOT of money over the years, but in the last 10 years my outlay has been minimal. Having said that, I am currently building a pair of speakers that are going to cost around $12,000. How do you know what is a first pressing ? Is there a collectors' catalogue ? After CDs have been out for a while they tend to be reissued at a lower price, I took that to be the meaning. If there is a separate market for 1st edition CDs I would like to know about it too. Hi Hans, Stan, First pressing CDs are the earliest CDs that were pressed of a particular release. Although I do have albums that were released in the 90s (and even a couple in the new millenium :) ), most of my CD collection was pressed before 1986. You are of course correct that the CD catalog has been re-released many times, with each subsequent one having more eq and greater loudness. The early CDs sound a lot more like the vinyl! Another interesting aspect is the effect of the pressings themselves - the earliest ones of the stamper (injection moulding machine) sound a lot better on my equipment than ones done a couple of years later. That means that I hunt down the earliest pressing that I can. I have been collecting 1st pressings for about 5 years and have built up a good knowledge of release and pressing numbers and other factors that indicate the earliest discs. If you want to know more (although I am happy to answer), the best place is the Steve Hoffman forum, where most of the early disc collectors hang out. There is a wealth of information on there, including pictures of many of the early discs. A Long rambling thread on early CDsMore First Pressing PicsKeith Hirsch's site on first pressingsList of all the earliest WEA "Target" CDs with picsMany of the collectors are not particularly interested in the sound of the discs, but just like collecting them. Some of the very early discs are rare and can command high prices on ebay. I often see discs I am interested in go on ebay for in excess of US$200 or US$300. Having said that, most of the more common early pressings sell for little more that other discs. Many people seem to think that there were not many CD releases in the early days, but the early catalog is pretty prodigious. I forget the figures, but by the end of 1984 there would have been something like 10,000 titles available. Hope this helps. Regards David
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Joined: 9/22/2008 Posts: 103 Location: North East London
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I really don't know in monetary terms, but I've amassed about 2000 vinyl albums, 700 CDs and 100 or so downloads over the years. Plus lots of open reel tape.
The vinyl was consolidated a good few years ago to get rid of what I considered at the time to be crap. Now I want it back again! Sods law.
Rob
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Joined: 10/4/2008 Posts: 228 Location: Oxford
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dcathro wrote:
Many people seem to think that there were not many CD releases in the early days, but the early catalog is pretty prodigious. I forget the figures, but by the end of 1984 there would have been something like 10,000 titles available.
Hope this helps.
Regards
David
Certainly the very early Denon discs are possibly the best-sounding CDs I have heard, especially the recording of the Silbermann organ which Angus McKenzie used as an example for the superiority of digital over analogue.
Hans
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Joined: 12/22/2008 Posts: 177 Location: Istanbul
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RobHolt wrote:
The vinyl was consolidated a good few years ago to get rid of what I considered at the time to be crap. Now I want it back again! Sods law.
Ouch! I hated CD when it first came out as I thought it was a big step back in sound quality when compared to the LP12/Ittok/Koetsu Black which I had at the time. I started buying CDs when the new releases had extra tracks on the LP and eventually, when there was no LP release. Thankfully, I never bought again titles which I had on LP, and therefore never felt any urge or need to get rid of my precious LPs :)
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Joined: 11/18/2008 Posts: 329 Location: Indiana, USA
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This is very interesting in that I was a very early adapter of CD and have some fairly early examples. I remember going to the Chicago CES the year before they were actually available, they were playing them but the electronics necessary for playback were contained in a very large external box. In general I much prefer new versions to the older ones so we obviously are listening to different music. For instance the new 'Will the Circle be Unbroken" is far superior to the early one, which I found unlistenable compared to the vinyl. The new Cat Stephens are quite good , although I was mislead by a "remastered" tag on one CD and got an earlier remastering which is truly dreadful. There are several others that have significantly improved the quality of earlier pressings, in other cases not so. So it appears that you must know the history of a particular recording to know which to buy. An early one of interest is THE FRIENDS OF MR CAIRO by Jon and Vangalis, I seem to remember that Malcolm Hawksford was using the space ship launch track to check speaker imaging but data retrieval for this period is imperfect.
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Togil wrote:dcathro wrote:
Many people seem to think that there were not many CD releases in the early days, but the early catalog is pretty prodigious. I forget the figures, but by the end of 1984 there would have been something like 10,000 titles available.
Hope this helps.
Regards
David
Certainly the very early Denon discs are possibly the best-sounding CDs I have heard, especially the recording of the Silbermann organ which Angus McKenzie used as an example for the superiority of digital over analogue. That is interesting, I have that CD in early Japanese pressing, from 1982 as well as 10 more of the Denon PCM Japanese pressings, I confess I have always found them a little bright and haven't listened to them in years. The others are Beethoven Symphonies 5,6,7 and 9, Mozart string music ,Bruckner 4th, Debussy Preludes, which I except from previous comments, Invitation to the Baroque Music, Handel Trio Sonatas and Concert Royal. Later I tried several of the early rock CDs, Dire Straights BROTHERS IN ARMS especially, and found them much better than the classical, so tastes differ.
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dcathro wrote:hifistan wrote:Togil wrote:dcathro wrote:I only have about 2000 CDs and very few LPs. I would probably buy about 10 Cds per month. Nearly all my Cds are first pressings which can get quite expensive.
As far as equipment goes, I am luck that I am into DIY and have very helpful friends in the business. I have spent a LOT of money over the years, but in the last 10 years my outlay has been minimal. Having said that, I am currently building a pair of speakers that are going to cost around $12,000. How do you know what is a first pressing ? Is there a collectors' catalogue ? After CDs have been out for a while they tend to be reissued at a lower price, I took that to be the meaning. If there is a separate market for 1st edition CDs I would like to know about it too. Hi Hans, Stan, First pressing CDs are the earliest CDs that were pressed of a particular release. Although I do have albums that were released in the 90s (and even a couple in the new millenium :) ), most of my CD collection was pressed before 1986. You are of course correct that the CD catalog has been re-released many times, with each subsequent one having more eq and greater loudness. The early CDs sound a lot more like the vinyl! Another interesting aspect is the effect of the pressings themselves - the earliest ones of the stamper (injection moulding machine) sound a lot better on my equipment than ones done a couple of years later. That means that I hunt down the earliest pressing that I can. I have been collecting 1st pressings for about 5 years and have built up a good knowledge of release and pressing numbers and other factors that indicate the earliest discs. If you want to know more (although I am happy to answer), the best place is the Steve Hoffman forum, where most of the early disc collectors hang out. There is a wealth of information on there, including pictures of many of the early discs. A Long rambling thread on early CDsMore First Pressing PicsKeith Hirsch's site on first pressingsList of all the earliest WEA "Target" CDs with picsMany of the collectors are not particularly interested in the sound of the discs, but just like collecting them. Some of the very early discs are rare and can command high prices on ebay. I often see discs I am interested in go on ebay for in excess of US$200 or US$300. Having said that, most of the more common early pressings sell for little more that other discs. Many people seem to think that there were not many CD releases in the early days, but the early catalog is pretty prodigious. I forget the figures, but by the end of 1984 there would have been something like 10,000 titles available. Hope this helps. Regards David Excellent post David, which I second from experience  and some great sites posted too which are well worth a look. Like David I collect the early CD pressings as well and spend more on them than I do hardware atm; as a member on the Hoffman forum too (DM as here) this is a read goldmine of info and well worth a visit "Quicquid Nitet Notandum"
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I spend too much on the gear but I suppose it goes with the job
MartinC
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Joined: 11/18/2008 Posts: 329 Location: Indiana, USA
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I too spend too much, my wife has volunteered to be the chief prosecution witness. Fortunately, most of it is circular in fashion, I pick up interesting things at a good price and eventually sell them and get something else. I just bought a MF Kw Phono Stage for about 30% of the amount it sold for over here new and am looking at the matching line stage at the same price reduction. I am sure that there is better gear out there but I have found top MF gear quite good and available at good prices.
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Joined: 5/23/2009 Posts: 13 Location: Liverpool
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Well I buy only CD,s and currently have about 5000 plus and seem to buy on average about 6-10 per month. I only have one rule no matter how much I want it if the CD is over £10 then I will not buy it. This does not hamper me much as with good stores like Vinyl Exchnage in Manchester and on line buying I can alway find what i am looking for at a decent price.
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Joined: 2/2/2009 Posts: 267 Location: uk
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Bencat A bit off topic but can I ask why you set a limit of a tenner? Does it help stop your spending spiral? My much mentioned Kraftwerk remasters were £20 on vinyl. If I didnt spend the money I wouldnt get them. The alternative is to wait and see if the price does go down or get a s/h one of uncertain history. Am getting value? Yes because there wasnt a way of getting them cheaper on the day. Would I do it again? Yes for the records I want. Perhaps CDs are different because you are likely to get them at lower prices. Then again when CDs stop being pressed will peoples buying change? (obviously if they arent buying so many with production running down! But we might buy more premium product?)
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