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#1 Posted : 24 May 2012 18:12:59(UTC)
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Wilson Audio Alexandria XLF

The new KJ organisation have excellently revamped their Cavendish Street premises in keeping with the lofty aspirations of their local W1 market and combined their first event with the first showing in Europe of the Wilson Audio flagship, no overstatement this,
a tall, sculpted and finely engineered 650lb wonder box called the Alexandria XLF.
It has distant connections with the original of this series the Grand SLAMM X1 which I reviewed for Hi Fi News and thought to be a massive achievement. Much development has taken place since leading to the Alexandria models of which this is a special version of increased size to additionally provide for a certain flexibility in room matching. This relates to them near floor located bass port which may be set via alloy cover plates to either radiate forward , or from the back. Given the considerable depth of the enclosure the change in spacing to near boundaries is more than significant and offers additional flexibility in room matching.


The XLF also comes with three more alignment options via the bass damping resistor, and the mid and treble protection resistors , all of which may be fine tuned in conjunction the with angle and distance adjustment for the mid and treble assemblies to achieve best group delay at the listener location.

There was a good press turnout including Alan Sircom, Paul Messenger, Malcolm Steward, Noel Keywood, myself, Tony Bolton, Barry Fox, John Bamford, while Wilson Audio's John Giolas and Peter McGrath were on hand with Brad O'Toole of Transparent, as the cable systems used were of this brand, not to forget the welcoming Absolute Sounds Team.

The new listening room had not been fully commissioned where the mid bass trap proved a little too efficient but the new speaker did give an idea of clean and substantial peak levels complemented by an appealing transparency and resolution at low levels. Dynamics and dynamic range were two key qualities heard on this necessarily arbitrary first outing.

93.5dB/Watt, 8ohms and 500W capacity will help it go the distance.


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I wonder how the 'XLF' tag was arrived at? It's not in the usual Wilson acronym style (eg SLAMM, CUB, WATCHdog, etc). In my mind I read it as 'Xtended Low Frequency' but you haven't of course hinted at any increased bass performance over the standard model, only improved room matching abilities, as I read it anyway. There appears to be no clue on Wilson's site either.
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it does say on their website
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#4 Posted : 25 May 2012 15:35:55(UTC)
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I missed that, thanks.
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#5 Posted : 25 May 2012 16:29:39(UTC)
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I guess when you're in the £200k speaker league, and matching to similarly priced hifi components, then you really have got to the poiont where you'll be taking advice from the manufacturer on the ideal volume and dimensions of the room you'll build for the system in which the system will be installed. It's another world...
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Would have loved to have been there much excitment had by all, a speaker system to aspire to Smile
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My friend Dave [the Sasha owner] was telling me that Wilson was offering two versions; one with the Titanium tweeter and one with a silk dome tweeter. A lively controversy is ongoing on Wilson forums over here as to which is better. I will post the relevant link when I can get it from him.

Here it is: http://www.audioaficionado.org/wilson-audio/

Another source for Wilson: YouTube - wilsonaudiospeakers's Channel

I have been unable to trace down any reference to a new Wilson tweeter so this must have been a variant of the old game where you see how information can be garbled by passing it from person to person. I would guess that the debate was either concerning the virtues of the Duetta, which uses a soft dome tweeter, vs the rest of the line; or a competing speaker line which uses soft domes vs Wilson. My bad.

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#8 Posted : 26 May 2012 12:49:46(UTC)
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In all honesty, would you really want something like this? I wouldn't, no matter how much money I had. Mind you, this is a somewhat 'theoretical' position. But I would admire Wilson et al a great deal more if they put their talents into producing great speakers at low prices, not good speakers at huge prices. That's not so difficult.On that basis, I think Harbeth are a rather finer manufacturer than the likes of Wilson, Magico etc.Is this just 'sour grapes'? I hope not.
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Originally Posted by: hifistan Go to Quoted Post
My friend Dave [the Sasha owner] was telling me that Wilson was offering two versions; one with the Titanium tweeter and one with a silk dome tweeter. A lively controversy is ongoing on Wilson forums over here as to which is better. I will post the relevant link when I can get it from him.


Interesting I like many aspects of the Focal tweeter; I use the exotic Audiom version myself, quite a rare beast but though I am 46 can still hear above 18K for my sins and am sensitive to its character :)
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Well, the grape is really sour ... Harbeth on one side and top series of Focal, Wilson, almost all Avalon models, etc. on the other have nothing in common IMO. Harbeth speakers are simple box with drivers, the other brands mentioned did painful research on every aspect of making good sound. And this costs a lot - time, money, equipment, expensive parts ...

Sorry to be so honest, but having heard a lot of those, can't remain silent. It is beautiful music vs average to good sound competition ...

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Thanks for the update Stan, useful sources Smile
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Originally Posted by: vess Go to Quoted Post
Well, the grape is really sour ... Harbeth on one side and top series of Focal, Wilson, almost all Avalon models, etc. on the other have nothing in common IMO. Harbeth speakers are simple box with drivers, the other brands mentioned did painful research on every aspect of making good sound. And this costs a lot - time, money, equipment, expensive parts ...

Sorry to be so honest, but having heard a lot of those, can't remain silent. It is beautiful music vs average to good sound competition ...

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I think you perhaps lack knowledge of the heritage of Harbeth...which can trace connections back to the pioneering days of BBC speaker research. In technical terms they have been at least as adventurous as firms like Wilson, arguably more so. And while sound quality is always a matter of debate,I would take a guess that many people would find (say) a Harbeth 40, more convincing as a reproducer of music (as opposed to ''hi fi'') than many far more costly devices. The idea that more expensive automatically means better, has taken a pounding in hi fi for many years now.It simply is not true.......
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I agree with paskinn; I have Spendors and GamuTs [which fit right in with the speakers named] and hear Wilsons fairly regularly. The Spendors are quite similar to the Harbeths, sharing a common BBC ancestry. I certainly don't think the Wilsons are bad speakers even though I prefer my own; the Wilson owner likes mine as well as his own. Good speakers have different sets of virtues and the choice between them will depend on the hierarchy of value each listener places on different aspects of sound reproduction. The GamuTs and Wilsons produce a very detailed "modern" sound while the Spendors produce a very natural sound excelling on voice; neither is "wrong", just different. See Robert Green's review of the current Spendor SP 1 in the May issue of Absolute Sound for a good discussion of their approach, which is far from dated. Imagine being ask who your favorite musician is; to choose one is not to reject all others. I feel it is the same here; it is a personal choice and often a very close run thing as the Duke would have said as he was choosing between Quad and Tannoy.BigGrin
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Remember Rogers monitors? I think they shared a similar ancestry with Spendor, altho my memory's a bit hazy about that now. They were the first decent speakers I bought, in about 1980. I find I tend to like a bit more detail now, but this may reflect a change in the sort of programme material that I typically listen to - no jazz then, a lot now.
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At the time most speakers were relatively coloured, you could have any colour you wanted and there was some sort of correlation between the colour and the kind of music you might care to listen to them on.

It drove the BBC to design their own , to address the variation and colouration and improve consistency so stable balances would be possible across their studios.

That work led to the early Spendor and Rogers equivalents, derived directly from that pioneering and very costly work.

My first experience with a non super tweeted Spendor BC1 was a revelation combining the generally low colouration and transparency of the Quad Electrostatic (1957 model) with at least plausible moving coil dynamics and bass extension.

At the time, male speech was uncannily natural,and articulate, far ahead of the hi fi branded competition. As we used to say , the lips and teeth were correctly proportioned, with no false sibilance, and correctly integrated with the formant sound.

Familiar records now exploded in the mid range with layers of fine detail and depth and convincing discrimination of subtle characterisations of small percussion instruments.

However it was never that good again as the delicate 8W rated paper voice coil former burned on hifi inputs and was replaced by something heavier and more durable, and later the delightful sounding but chemically hazardous plasticised vinyl cone surround became one of a softer and slower sounding nitrile rubber.

Perfection continues to elude us, and particular experiences can rarely be repeated.

Martin Colloms



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A customer brought in his Harbeths. I forget what model but large standmounts around £2k. They sounded like tea chests. Awful.
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Originally Posted by: Martin Colloms Go to Quoted Post
At the time most speakers were relatively coloured, you could have any colour you wanted and there was some sort of correlation between the colour and the kind of music you might care to listen to them on.

It drove the BBC to design their own , to address the variation and colouration and improve consistency so stable balances would be possible across their studios.

That work led to the early Spendor and Rogers equivalents, derived directly from that pioneering and very costly work.

My first experience with a non super tweeted Spendor BC1 was a revelation combining the generally low colouration and transparency of the Quad Electrostatic (1957 model) with at least plausible moving coil dynamics and bass extension.

At the time, male speech was uncannily natural,and articulate, far ahead of the hi fi branded competition. As we used to say , the lips and teeth were correctly proportioned, with no false sibilance, and correctly integrated with the formant sound.

Familiar records now exploded in the mid range with layers of fine detail and depth and convincing discrimination of subtle characterisations of small percussion instruments.

However it was never that good again as the delicate 8W rated paper voice coil former burned on hifi inputs and was replaced by something heavier and more durable, and later the delightful sounding but chemically hazardous plasticised vinyl cone surround became one of a softer and slower sounding nitrile rubber.

Perfection continues to elude us, and particular experiences can rarely be repeated.

Martin Colloms





I was actually able to do some A/B comparisons the first time I heard BC1's (Rogers, I think), as I was working at the BBC's Maida Vale studios and was able to pop into Studio One and listen to an orchestra, and then back to a studio and listen to the same thing on speakers - The Maida Vale studios had (still have?) a sort of audio ring main system, where each studio had a jackfield with all current transmissions and sometimes recordings on them, so you could plug your headphones (600 ohm of course!) or amp/speakers in to monitor. Highly impressive: I seem to remember they were some real early BC1's rather than the BBC's own derivative, but it's a long time ago now! I've still got a pair of "BC1/3" speakers - BC1 with the STC super-tweeter.

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