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#1 Posted : 30 October 2009 20:05:21(UTC)
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I would like the following reviewed;

Wadia 581 and 781,

dCS Scarletti stack,

ATC SCM40, 50A and 150A speakers.

Being rather fond of the above combination, it would be good to have the thoughts from the professionals.
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#2 Posted : 06 November 2009 18:11:35(UTC)
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I'd prefer to see qualitative analyses on system combinations. i.e. having reviewed lots of kit individually, how do they act together? What's the sweet spot, where are the major gains. I guess you could take a £5000 system (CD/amp/speakers and peripherals!) and modify the parts of the system swapping in competitors and seeing the overall combined effects and how a seemingly unlikely combination or unlikely tweak raises or lowers the overall scoring of the system. This may give genuine customers a better idea of what/why/how systems work and how to get the best value for money from their system.

This is very hard to do and some publications have touched on it but only very lightly. In a sense this is the kind of thing that specialist dealers do, but may people want to be pre-armed with a better feel for the subject, an perhaps this might be one? After all, it's one thing to review a component but that usually happens in the reviewer's system (since that's the easiest and most effective way of building a picture of the complete capabilities of a component), but if a £500 CD player is absolutely fabulous in Martin's mega-bucks system, it would be good to know what £1500 - £2k system it would fit in best (since that's its target market) from Martin's point of view.
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#3 Posted : 06 November 2009 22:31:58(UTC)
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Much as I agree with Frank's aspirations, qualitative evaluations of system cominations, even at the most straightforward and pretty minimal level, soon turns into big numbers and an overwhelming workload. Three CD players, three amplifiers and three loudspeakers is 27 combinations. Four/four/four is 64. For me, unless a combination was clearly not working, my attention span for comparative evaluation at one sitting would be unlikely to go beyond four! I could never do 27 or 64.

Furthermore, I would guess that most of us would disagree on possible various "benchmark" components and the price points at which these might be pitched.

What might be useful? A membership survey of equipment used (and/or aspired to) - whether by manufacturer or model or price point? And perhaps easier to undertake with a magazine like Critic which has a more captive audience. This is just a suggestion I throw in for comment - I don't know how feasible this is, how significant the response would be, and whether the findings would be a help or a hindrance!
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#4 Posted : 07 November 2009 18:00:58(UTC)
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I'd like to see reviews of products that are interesting from a technological or artistic perspective. The more interesting the better. Who wants to read about yet another boring integrated amp or speaker or whatever. Life is too short for boring hifi. And that doesn't mean the product has to be expensive, but I'd guess it usually is...
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#5 Posted : 08 November 2009 16:22:06(UTC)
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Choosing review contenders is never easy

Second guessing how readers think, their lifestyle, whether they are active or settled, and now voyeurs, is uncertain

Some equipment is hard to obtain, may even have to be purchased, a big headache

I suspect the editorial team often follow their noses on this, issues frequently just happen , based on a reasonable selection of available, supplied potential content

Newsworthy, interesting, very good, or very good value, or simply necessary for making up audio systems , these are all selection criteria.

We often need pre amps. One batch of discovered weak contenders is news and is important even though the outcome is disappointing. Conversely an unqualified sequence of raves will devalue, derail the whole HIFICRITIC project.

It is helpful news that you would often be better off with a passive , potentiometer or good transformer type. At least they do little harm to your source signals.

Our feature content adds substance to the magazine. We do not need to fight to include it while magazines based largely on ad revenue see such pages as zero income fillers.

MartinC



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#6 Posted : 09 November 2009 00:03:21(UTC)
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I'd like to see Firewire DACs of 24/192 capability, active speakers, and DSP-based room EQs. Even British-made ones if absolutely necessary.
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#7 Posted : 09 November 2009 09:46:18(UTC)
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I can help you with that, the Weiss DACII/Minerva sounds great, 24/192 has it's own properly dithered volume control, you can use it just as a firewire interface sounds ( especially through firewire ) fantastic, even better though is the Amarra model 4 which is based on a Metric Halo ULN8, it is a dac ,adc and recorder, and the it produces the finest digital I have yet heard, just waiting for it's baby brother to arrive. Apogee isn't bad but not as god as the Weiss.
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#8 Posted : 12 November 2009 13:36:02(UTC)
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General to this thread HIFICRITIC AWARDS

Paul and I have been mulling over whether to review our product ratings over the past issues and publish in Vol4 no 4 upcoming
an awards feature. We decided to go ahead . Nothing pretentious you understand, no gala dinner or invitation for manufacturers to support the project ,

simply a reasoned listing of good performing product which has gone through our listening rooms

There are three categories:

'Audio Excellence'

exceptional 'audiophile' sound and performance , price no object


'Best Buy'

fine performance for price over a wide price range


'Recommended'

not so much an also ran , but product which scored well on listening and lab test and in an alternative system might well be the better choice.


After publication I will post this feature on the web site.

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#9 Posted : 02 December 2009 09:35:43(UTC)
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A couple of suggestions from my side:

CJ newer and less expensive gear (incl. CJ classic);
Glenn Croft newer separates (25/7).
I have heard neither of them, but seem as interesting and at real world prices.

For cables, I would suggest Supra Sword interconnect + speaker. I have these ones and think are very good value (but have not tried much else).

For the rest I agree that there should be more focus on "systems" and related questions of matching and mis-matching rather than individual gear. And I whole-heartedly support the practice of HC to provide the technical characteristics of all reviewed items (including those of cables that tend to be particularly tough to discover).Confused
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#10 Posted : 02 December 2009 19:08:50(UTC)
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Hi IG

for the awards we will have to have reviewed them in HIIFICRITIC or used the products suggested under home conditions

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#11 Posted : 02 December 2009 21:31:16(UTC)
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Please DO NOT do any form of awards issue; If you want to save on writing copy just miss an issue.
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#12 Posted : 02 December 2009 22:59:34(UTC)
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Put the awards on a web page - do anything other than sacrifice new written editorial content in the mag. Similar logic to putting show reports on the web, rather than in the mag. I get utterly fed up, as a subscriber to other mags when once a year you're reading the same content you've read before over and over. As all Hificritic readers are subscribers.....
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#13 Posted : 02 December 2009 23:26:30(UTC)
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My immediate reaction to your proposal to have an "awards" feature was "good idea". Why? Because other hifi magazines do the same, because it's interesting to have a triennial (or whatever) ranked summary and because HFCr would, as an initial reaction, do it better.

But, on reflection, "bad idea".

Why?

When I (used to) read reviews in HFN, HFCh, HFW, HF+ and so on, I'd invariably go to the last paragraph to see whether it scored 90%+ or 5* or whatever. That might dictate whether I read the review. And at the year end, or whenever, in the same magazine, I'd get a "top three" of the best CD/transport/DAC, amplifier, speakers, turntable/arm/cartridge based on various price breaks. In effect, a one dimensional summation/ranking of each type of component.

With HFCr, I read reviews from start to finish, because they are interesting, balanced and don't attempt to distill everything into a final praising or damning paragraph. Even the MC scoring is rightly positioned and does not appear to seek to capture all the review observations in one numeric score, in my view.

In my view, an awards feature distilled from three years' reviews would add nothing.

If you do want a different "round up" feature I'd get each main contributor - MC, PM and up to four others - to outline their systems at the start of HFCr and set out what they have tried since and with what impact. Within this, components tried and desired (but perhaps not afforded) could still play a part - giving some opportunity to comment on outstanding components tried - perhaps in a better context.
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#14 Posted : 03 December 2009 08:17:01(UTC)
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While I agree with the sentiments expressed on the whole, HIFICRITIC does live in the real world , has to pay authors and printers and mail services.

We had doubts about awards and put them off for a year but it became clear that there was a benefit in increasing awareness and credibility among manufacturers and the wider public beyond our necessarily limited paid up subscriber base.

We have to reach out further to survive and the awards are already , significantly, raising awareness.

We have wasted very little space , there are no fill up ads or photos.

I will post the contents very soon and you will see a packed issue with loads of content.

MartinC

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#15 Posted : 03 December 2009 09:38:31(UTC)
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Awards are a good idea to raise awareness of the magazine, get the logo in advertising, and create a buzz around the reviews.

Having the logo in product advertising in other publications is a great away of increasing awareness.

Critic is a business and requires continued support from the readership and the industry to keep delivering high class content.
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#16 Posted : 03 December 2009 14:15:18(UTC)
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As I said, don't sacrifice new editorial for it.... If you need to promote the magazine in this manner to ensure it's growth, then do so. What is important to me as a reader is unique interesting content each issue. The more content, and the more interesting that content the better.

However, if you start using "process cyan" ink everywhere and different sized column widths, I will be forced to un-subscribe :-)

Oh, and as for more content - how about a scientific analysis of the measurable effects of vibration control products?

Graeme

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#17 Posted : 04 December 2009 15:30:09(UTC)
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I would appreciate suggestions on this.......

for turntables I would place them on foam pads and subject them to a pink noise sound field, analysing the cartridge output,

then place them on a rigid mineral base fitted with a wideband shaker-exciter and measure the coupling through to the cartridge.

With dozens of players you can begin to see some correlation but the actual performance of a given player is both more subtle and more complicated than this.

Vibration control devices work over a whole range of frequencies and frequency ranges with variable inherent and co- damping and the interaction with equipment is frequently, even usually, unpredictable.

For every resonance I could reveal , and control, there will be others which though detectable, actually have no effect on the resulting sound quality.

Others left uncontrolled may alter it slightly but not impair the result.

I do think vibration control can have a major impact but pinning down the action of the various methods will never be easy.

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#18 Posted : 05 December 2009 15:49:54(UTC)
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Agreed that control of vibrations for record decks and tube amps is important. But there are many devices that are sold as vibration control products, and some seem to be more obvious in how they go about treating vibrations than others. I know it would be tricky to get any general results from experiments, but probably no more so than the issue of cable sound which you have already addressed in significant depth.
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#19 Posted : 05 December 2009 17:14:05(UTC)
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More recent experiment and understanding of cables RFI and equipment interactions serves to add further complication , so far inadequately assessed.

Robert Grodinsky commented in his RFI patent (1986) that valves may (in some cases) sound 'better' than solid state because their high frequency linearity and greater input overload margin makes them naturally rather less susceptible to distortion and noise floor impairment from RFI effects.

He fought to control RFI effects by good design long before the EU regulations and it is possible that his patent prevented the wider dissemination of this ideas.


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#20 Posted : 05 December 2009 17:55:42(UTC)
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Agreed that RFI sensitivity is becoming increasingly important. I guess that's another good article idea for you :-)
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