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#41 Posted : 23 December 2012 14:55:41(UTC)
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Our experience of the Event Opal was a specific fault with an eq control, not a quality variation per se

it worked fine but one control was not active on the first sample

for the genre, transparency , and low level detail, were both outstanding at the price, but we all get habituated to our favourites

It helps that I get to hear a lot of speakers.


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#42 Posted : 23 December 2012 16:36:23(UTC)
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Wonder if I could ever find active boards for my aged passive Spendor SA3s?

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Ask Spendor for the transfer functions and consult the Doug Self book on active filters for the synthesis

Or Spendor may be able to suggest someone to knock them up ........


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#44 Posted : 28 December 2012 12:02:59(UTC)
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I remember the SA3 active well

an improbable combination of 34 (or 37)mm Audax soft dome with a 12inch polymer cone bass mid

but the direct coupling amplification held on nicely to the tweeter in its lower range and the active approach preserved clarity and dynamics

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#45 Posted : 29 December 2012 21:44:27(UTC)
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I had a pair of SA3 passives in the 80s and always liked the BC1 and BC3 better. Perhaps if I had my CJ 350 then or the Krell I had a few years later I would have liked them better. To American readers unfamiliar with British idiom ; "Getting something knocked up" has a different meaning than it does over here. Sorry, couldn't help myself.
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Originally Posted by: hifistan Go to Quoted Post
I had a pair of SA3 passives in the 80s and always liked the BC1 and BC3 better. Perhaps if I had my CJ 350 then or the Krell I had a few years later I would have liked them better. To American readers unfamiliar with British idiom ; "Getting something knocked up" has a different meaning than it does over here. Sorry, couldn't help myself.


Must dig my BCIs & BCIIIs out again for comparison now that I have a better room. I still plan to activate my SA3s at some point.

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Originally Posted by: hifistan Go to Quoted Post
I had a pair of SA3 passives in the 80s and always liked the BC1 and BC3 better. Perhaps if I had my CJ 350 then or the Krell I had a few years later I would have liked them better. To American readers unfamiliar with British idiom ; "Getting something knocked up" has a different meaning than it does over here. Sorry, couldn't help myself.


Must dig my BCIs & BCIIIs out again for comparison now that I have a better room. I still plan to activate my SA3s at some point.


BC!s still still set a remarkably high standard, especially through the midrange - better than BCIIIs here I feel, possibly because of their alnico magnets (my early 1970s examples)
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Originally Posted by: hifistan Go to Quoted Post
I had a pair of SA3 passives in the 80s and always liked the BC1 and BC3 better. Perhaps if I had my CJ 350 then or the Krell I had a few years later I would have liked them better. To American readers unfamiliar with British idiom ; "Getting something knocked up" has a different meaning than it does over here. Sorry, couldn't help myself.


Must dig my BCIs & BCIIIs out again for comparison now that I have a better room. I still plan to activate my SA3s at some point.


BC!s still still set a remarkably high standard, especially through the midrange - better than BCIIIs here I feel, possibly because of their alnico magnets (my early 1970s examples)


I used them as a balance reference when I built the big speaker working on the midrange first then the rest followed but over a fair amount of time. Wink
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Heard the Event Opals at the Wigwam show near Melton Mowbray excellent dynamics and a great sense of fun to their sound, there were several systems using small 2 way actives to great effect BigGrin
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Any chance of reviewing one of the new two way actives in the TwoTwo series from PMC , using Hypex Class D amps ?
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I have found a pair of Spendor SA500 three-way active monitors nearby. I don't really need them, but being active Spendors I am curious as to how they'd sound. I might go and have a look.

What I wondered about was the price of the components used. I found out they have used a Vifa tweeter that is now produced by Scanspeak. This thing is only about 35$ in the USA:
http://www.madisoundspea...-1-textile-dome-tweeter/

About 17 or so years ago I think I already bought a pair of these Seas Excel tweeters for a home built project. These are still in production and would cost about 120$ now. 4 times the SA500 tweeters. These now lay unused somewhere, their boxes gathering dust:
http://www.madisoundspea...t25cf-001-e0006-tweeter/

I always wonder why they put such humble components as a 35$ tweeter in a pair of SA500 that would have cost about 8000$ when new. Why not just put in the Seas Excel one for a little bit more. Things like this always keep me from buying factory speakers. I know, I know, tuning, good enough, margin etc. But how about ultimate quaity!

On another note, I reread a review of Martin about a Naim streamer and read there that the sound quality improved about 30% (I think it was) when the switch mode power supply was changed for a lineair one. Then why not put in a lineair one in the first place!

But ok, would the Spendor, despite a 35$ tweeter be good enough to pay them a visit and see what they are like? Or were these active monitors more aimed at volume instead of the famous Spendor balance. I did read though that the cabinet walls were only 13mm thick, so that would mean they were built the classic way.

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You know the answers......how did they sound? Vifa and Scan are the same company. Many of the, now, reasonably priced Scan/Vifa/Peerless tweeters are still doing good service in many speakers. Sometimes manufacturers keep similar components across a range because they know how they sound and how they can cross over to them. Also it keeps a consistency of sound across the range.
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You got me onto the SEAS website again.

These look cool......

white diamond

Quite a bit of roll off at the top end and 8dB down at each end of its response. Hopefully it will have other virtues outside a funky Corian surround and shaped finger guard.
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Originally Posted by: ashleym Go to Quoted Post
You got me onto the SEAS website again.

These look cool......

white diamond

Quite a bit of roll off at the top end and 8dB down at each end of its response. Hopefully it will have other virtues outside a funky Corian surround and shaped finger guard.


looks like the frequency response of a compression driver on a biradial horn to me!
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Originally Posted by: frank23 Go to Quoted Post
I have found a pair of Spendor SA500 three-way active monitors nearby. I don't really need them, but being active Spendors I am curious as to how they'd sound. I might go and have a look.

What I wondered about was the price of the components used. I found out they have used a Vifa tweeter that is now produced by Scanspeak. This thing is only about 35$ in the USA:
http://www.madisoundspea...-1-textile-dome-tweeter/

About 17 or so years ago I think I already bought a pair of these Seas Excel tweeters for a home built project. These are still in production and would cost about 120$ now. 4 times the SA500 tweeters. These now lay unused somewhere, their boxes gathering dust:
http://www.madisoundspea...t25cf-001-e0006-tweeter/

I always wonder why they put such humble components as a 35$ tweeter in a pair of SA500 that would have cost about 8000$ when new. Why not just put in the Seas Excel one for a little bit more. Things like this always keep me from buying factory speakers. I know, I know, tuning, good enough, margin etc. But how about ultimate quaity!

On another note, I reread a review of Martin about a Naim streamer and read there that the sound quality improved about 30% (I think it was) when the switch mode power supply was changed for a lineair one. Then why not put in a lineair one in the first place!

But ok, would the Spendor, despite a 35$ tweeter be good enough to pay them a visit and see what they are like? Or were these active monitors more aimed at volume instead of the famous Spendor balance. I did read though that the cabinet walls were only 13mm thick, so that would mean they were built the classic way.


SA-500 a rare beast; be interested to learn how much these are?
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#56 Posted : 27 March 2013 19:01:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ashleym Go to Quoted Post
You got me onto the SEAS website again.

These look cool......

white diamond

Quite a bit of roll off at the top end and 8dB down at each end of its response. Hopefully it will have other virtues outside a funky Corian surround and shaped finger guard.


looks like the frequency response of a compression driver on a biradial horn to me!


Martin >>>>

the piston response of a tweeter is not intrinsically flat

when they are flat, the top end has been resonated mechanically or acoustically or both , which may not be such a good thing ( tizz)

the Diamond tweeter in the Eidolon rolled off similarly and for the same reason , but was deferred, as it is a 20mm

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