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#1 Posted : 07 May 2012 14:51:49(UTC)
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Quad launched their "new" electrostatics at Munich - an event which would have been headline-grabbing in the past.

I managed somehow to get into the IAG "VIP Invitation Only" room - which was their only room - on the upper atrium floor having seen the "2912" poster from the atrium foyer - and was intruiged to see and hear what Quad could bring to an already outstanding design. The "12" in the new "2912" and "2812" simply reflects the year of launch, as was the case with the previous "05", but from what I could see and read the changes seem to be largely cosmetic - Quad say the new models "incorporate enhancements in speaker dress, metal work and veneer finish" which may just be saying there's a new grill cloth and wooden end caps!

With many companies at Munich putting on extensive equipment displays and some delivering good sounds in tasteful rooms with varied source material, it was disappoining that IAG gave a poor showing to brands like Quad, Audiolab, Wharfedale and Castle ... but then it was merely for VIPs!

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#2 Posted : 07 May 2012 18:06:17(UTC)
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Gone are the days when a new QUAD would turn up every 30 years. Perhaps they could ask Deiter Rams to do the cosmetics again?

Any chance of a mini show report for those of us less well travelled? *prays its not just very expensive speakers, mega 10 ton turntables and less good than an iPad hard disc replay front ends*
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#3 Posted : 07 May 2012 18:39:43(UTC)
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Well Peter Comeau told me two years ago that they were working on a new cost-no-object ( and not domestic-friendly ) electrostatic, wonder what happened to that...

I was also dismayed about the room to VIPs only and shall write a letter of complaint to IAG in Shenzhen.

Otherwise the show was great although it was the usual vast amount of electronic-sounding gear with 2 exceptions , ie my best sound of show rooms : the Focal Maestro with Vitus amp and Stahl-Tek DAC, and the TAD room which has made me look further into this brand - their main competitor , Magico Q7 , was displayed at a Munich dealership.

Also liked the neat Weiss MAN301 / Klangwerk system . But the choice of music servers is getting confusing !

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Focal. Why arent they using NAM?

TAD. A domestic onslaught is on.

The KEF LS50s look interesting
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#5 Posted : 07 May 2012 20:24:22(UTC)
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I believe it was Vitus using Focal, not vice versa. There where Naim/Focal rooms also.

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#6 Posted : 07 May 2012 20:49:45(UTC)
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I believe it was Vitus using Focal, not vice versa. There where Naim/Focal rooms also.

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Actually it was Purist Audio Design using Focal, Vitus and Stahl-Tek
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Thanks for almost clearing this up. Was the Focal/NAIM or Focal/Vitus sounding better? Or was each good but different?
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#8 Posted : 07 May 2012 21:19:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ashleym Go to Quoted Post
Gone are the days when a new QUAD would turn up every 30 years. Perhaps they could ask Deiter Rams to do the cosmetics again?

Any chance of a mini show report for those of us less well travelled? *prays its not just very expensive speakers, mega 10 ton turntables and less good than an iPad hard disc replay front ends*


Ashley

My report is rather selective in the same way as my show listening - if a demonstrator has a room with a poor acoustic, is cluttered with too much gear, fails to have a dedicated listening area, plays at the wrong (too loud a) volume or fails to play well recorded /recognisible tracks I am out of there pretty quickly. And as I'm never going to return to valves or vinyl that usually eliminates another swathe of exhibitors!

On this basis I'd never get a job as an (even unpaid) reviewer - and my judgement of sound is simple "nothing added, nothing taken away, transparent" which I know is pretty unhelpful. If I come away from listening remembering aspects of treble, bass or rhythm then that's likely to be a negative rather than a positive!

Having said that, the exhibition puts UK events in the shade, with (according to the programme) 400 brands and 275 rooms or stands, supplemented by another 50 brands at a parallel show set up at a nearby hotel by a leading distributor.

The main show at the MOC covers a huge area - including the public areas I'd guess it covers the equivalent of four or five football pitches - with loads of "bling" turntables and valve gear, connectors and cables presumably targetted at wealthy consumers from the UAE, Russia and the Far East.

I was there two days and I'd guess I spent six hours in just four rooms:

Devialet: I use the D-Premier (wifi/dac/pre/pwr/phono if you need it) myself and they were sounding terrific using Sophia loudspeakers and either a MacBookPro for CDs or a Nagra digital recorder for hires, brought along by the sound engineer who did the recordings himself of a band playing on a beach in Mauritius (I think).

PMC: The new 20 series, four models in all, sounded great and are all pretty compact enclosures.

EAR: Yes, I know, valves and vinyl, but it sounded just great.

KEF: the new Blades - a bit big domestically and may need lots of space - but another delight.

It may be a coincidence but these rooms all had the manufacturers' designers/engineers present - questions well answered and music tracks well chosen.

Others I popped into included:
- the IAG room - disappointing but probably just for distributors really;
- Crystal with their Arabesque Mini speaker coupled with Siltech amplification;
- (at the parallel show) a brand called Bladelius with a full function digital front end (in a normal box) about to be joined by a new unit with just the same functionality in a vertical case no bigger than a pad of A4 paper and with most of the front taken up by a lovely display - almost B&O-like - but no UK distributor as yet; and
- a distributor showing brands equivalent to some of those covered by Absolute Sounds here - Audio Research, D'Agostino, Krell, Sonus Faber and so on.

The exhibition was busy on both days but never crowded - and that's despite a daily entry charge of 12 Euro.

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#9 Posted : 07 May 2012 21:40:17(UTC)
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Ian- many thanks. I am always very happy when people express an opinion and you have done- being selective is the way I do it too. Why waste time with stuff you are never going to buy when there is so much to listen to. Your time spent in a few rooms speaks volumes for them actually having good sound.

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#10 Posted : 08 May 2012 07:19:01(UTC)
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Ian - I think 15Audio ( formerly Sounds of Music / Metropolis ) do Bladelius .

Agree the Devialet room was good, Kef Blades sounded boomy in that corner

Talked a bit to Juergen Reis , MBL's chief designer , so will be looking forward to listening to the new class D ( but linear power supply ) Corona amps

Other interesting class D was Mola Mola and the smaller TAD amp .

Also I hope Critic may be able to look into the designs from Korean firm Aurender
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#11 Posted : 09 May 2012 09:54:07(UTC)
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Ian - I think 15Audio ( formerly Sounds of Music / Metropolis ) do Bladelius .

Agree the Devialet room was good, Kef Blades sounded boomy in that corner

Talked a bit to Juergen Reis , MBL's chief designer , so will be looking forward to listening to the new class D ( but linear power supply ) Corona amps

Other interesting class D was Mola Mola and the smaller TAD amp .

Also I hope Critic may be able to look into the designs from Korean firm Aurender


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Thanks for that - the Bladelius stuff looks nice, functionality is good (all in one box with the imminent box smaller still) and, to the extent one can judge, it sounded ok too.

As you say, the KEFs need loads of space and, for me, are visually too imposing. KEF has just brought out a high-end miniature which was at Munich (the LS50) but it wasn't on demonstration when I called in.

The Aurender units were at Munich also. Two, almost identical, digital source units seemingly very highly rated but with no CD drive, which for me is a pity.
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#12 Posted : 13 May 2012 12:52:40(UTC)
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Are there any pictures of the new Quad loudspeakers?

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#13 Posted : 13 May 2012 14:50:15(UTC)
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I think there are only minor cosmetic differences from the old models, IAG had a 'VIP' only room, with them on static display.
Keith.
Tog there is a review of the Aurender on CA ,Chris C compared them with his 'caps 2' PC based server.

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#14 Posted : 13 May 2012 21:17:48(UTC)
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Are there any pictures of the new Quad loudspeakers?



I'll put them on a picture site and give you the link in the next day or two.

But as Keith says they are physically the same as the 2905/2805 - just some glossy wooden tops and bottoms.

I also have two pictures of the Platinum series electronics which were equally unimpressive.

New Quad gear used to surprise me with its looks and its novel functionality - neither can be said of the new stuff which, as a user for 30 years, is disappointing.


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#15 Posted : 14 May 2012 03:48:28(UTC)
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[quote=ashleym;13967]Gone are the days when a new QUAD would turn up every 30 years. Perhaps they could ask Deiter Rams to do the cosmetics again?

Off topic I know, but does this mean that Dieter Rams did the visual design of the 63s? He was brilliant. His many designs for Braun are wonderful.

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#16 Posted : 14 May 2012 05:33:21(UTC)
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Perhaps Martin could persuade Peter Comeau to elaborate on the thinking behind Quad's new models in his regular column in HiFi Critic

Pity that Quad Musikwiedergabe weren't there , I would have liked to see their new custom subwoofer for the ESL 63
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Off topic I know, but does this mean that Dieter Rams did the visual design of the 63s? He was brilliant. His many designs for Braun are wonderful.


Peter- Dieter Rams did a version of the ESL-57. I have a couple of photos somewhere, look on Flikr and you will see some from the Rams exhibition. ALso look at the speaker with the circle & rectangle grill, predating the JBL versions. Yes he is a talent and yes there should be a better looking version of the QUADs.

http://www.quad-musik.de/html/braun_le1_.html
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#18 Posted : 14 May 2012 09:05:48(UTC)
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I largely gave up trying to assess sound at Munich, just so many variables, what is it you are actually listening to? Which part of the system/room is doing what? I suppose you might use these demos as a way of judging what sort of sound the exhibitor likes, but beyond that.....I find Munich is best as a nice little weekend break, with the chance to get an over-view of where hi fi is going.
I left the city with my strongest memory the incredible size of the cakes served in the local coffee shops. You could feed a family of four from one slice!
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#19 Posted : 19 May 2012 07:10:08(UTC)
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Well in a Russian magazine (AudioVideo)it is claimed that the 2812 / 2912 has serious electronics upgrades.

PS Just heard from my dealer that the revision is indeed substantial,including better power handling they have it from Peter Comeau.

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