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#41 Posted : 03 May 2012 08:40:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martin Colloms Go to Quoted Post

It would be useful to have listening reports from those few sealed box users out there.


For what little it's worth...

I've owned both "types of bass", and I much prefer the sealed-box type. But this is only in my experience, which is of necessity very limited, since I don't work in the trade, and also (like most of us) I have to (and want to) have the hifi in the living room, which leads inevitably to domestic limitations, shall we say, on placement. But anyway...

The subjective trade-off, again in my limited experience, is between quantity and speed of bass. Ports give you lots of the former, and it's perhaps a price worth paying in a small stand-mount speaker, but big ported boxes have - on the whole - never really done it for me.

I owned, for example, ProAc Response 3.5s for a while, and I believe that they were quite critically well-regarded at the time, and they certainly had a lovely midrange, but they never quite gelled for me as a coherent musical whole. I'd always assumed it was just my room, but... I have a friend with N802s, and again there's certainly no shortage of bass but for me it doesn't always quite gel. The room again, or a stereotypical property of ported bass?

My current ML speakers with their sealed bass bins (with 10" drivers) don't have a whole lot of bass - I'd like more - but what there is, is fast and tight and tuneful. Subjectively, I feel that they really get me to the heart of a musical performance. And I don't think that that's about air and space and pinpoint imaging and all the usual electrostatic buzzwords; I think it's about coherent timing, it's about making your foot tap, your fingers snap....

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#42 Posted : 05 May 2012 13:59:16(UTC)
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We are running a two way reflex active studio monitor with an equalised over damped bass roll-off and top notch lower mid dynamics

and it times well !

the Meridian DSP7200 is also reflex and time delay compensated , and timed very well

But most reflex hi fi boxes do not, while nearly all sealed box , and also open baffle speakers do

If you get into well timed sound reproduction, it is hard to get out.

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#43 Posted : 06 May 2012 09:48:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martin Colloms Go to Quoted Post

If you get into well timed sound reproduction, it is hard to get out.

Martin Colloms


Indeed!
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#44 Posted : 08 July 2012 12:16:20(UTC)
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its going to be the Q1

from the pictures reminds me a little of the similarly sized and proportioned Dr Graham Bank Celestion SL 600 of 30 years ago: of the face of it common features comprise
7 inch 'polymer' cone bass-mid , metal dome tweeter, simple 'two plate and pillar' stand
sealed box , aluminium alloy enclosure , about one twentieth the price

we will try and find out just how the evident and immense engineering effort pays off in sound quality excellence

MartinC

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#45 Posted : 16 July 2012 13:58:11(UTC)
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A Magico Q1 and a stereo D'Agostino power will arrive next week !

they are said to work well together, we shall see...........

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#46 Posted : 16 July 2012 18:53:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martin Colloms Go to Quoted Post
A Magico Q1 and a stereo D'Agostino power will arrive next week !

they are said to work well together, we shall see...........

MartinC


Look forward to seeing how you get on with them
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#47 Posted : 16 July 2012 22:17:55(UTC)
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It would also be interesting to hear them with Dan's Son Bret's new amplifiers too.
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#48 Posted : 09 August 2012 09:34:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martin Colloms Go to Quoted Post
A Magico Q1 and a stereo D'Agostino power will arrive next week !

they are said to work well together, we shall see...........

MartinC


Re upcoming , when is the SP Acoustics coming in ?

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#49 Posted : 12 August 2012 10:19:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Martin Colloms Go to Quoted Post
A Magico Q1 and a stereo D'Agostino power will arrive next week !

they are said to work well together, we shall see...........

MartinC


Re upcoming , when is the SP Acoustics coming in ?



Both the Q1 and the SP are said to be in the next issue late September
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#50 Posted : 13 August 2012 11:21:13(UTC)
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I think Paul was doing it but I do not know yet whether it made the short list

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#51 Posted : 25 August 2012 16:32:41(UTC)
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The Magico Q1 review is done...........

you have to wait to the end of the month and see what the review says !

Vol 6 no 3

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#52 Posted : 07 October 2012 15:34:36(UTC)
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review out !

very accomplished for the size

amazing build quality goes some way to matching the price

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#53 Posted : 28 October 2012 07:25:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: HansW Go to Quoted Post
I heard the Q3 recently at a show recently being driven by Audio Researc Ref5/Ref210. My expectations where high having read several very positive reviews, the technology seemed impressive and it is a sealed box which is my preference. They sounded terriblle. I kept coming back but the grating trebble, which made me think of early digital done poorly, and generally thin sound without body persisted.

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I was rather un-impressed too after the rave reviews.

I thought I would approach speakers from the perspective of a Lavardin IT owner with Yamaha NS1000M's - I personally think this is a match made in heaven. I like the tight bass of my sealed box speakers with the transparency of the mid and treble units. I just know that they have a limited lifespan because there are no similar speakers out there anymore, and I will have to eventually replace themCrying

I heard the Magico floorstanders with Dartzeel amps, and whilst they semed to have tamed the golden edge of the Dartzeel (something I have heard on other dartzeel amped systemss) they unfortunately lacked a kind of live energy that I have personally got used to in my system.

It could be that the Magico's are just very controlled. They had excellent clean bass. It was the treble that lacked sparkle - I am also not a huge fan of Sonus Fabers, and they have the same ring radiator treble units - so it may just be the treble.

For silly money speakers, I would consider other options such as Raidho, Avalon, Rockports or the Marten Coltranes - and if you want to go dipole try the Linkwitz Riley copy by absolute analogue (I think that is their name) no bass overhang like a sealed speaker - amazing imaging and depth of field also.

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#54 Posted : 28 October 2012 14:22:37(UTC)
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just like to note that the above has too many generalisations about a brand and of some models

and the Q1 for the review does not have the ring radiator tweeter in any case.

Martin Colloms
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#55 Posted : 29 October 2012 11:48:45(UTC)
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The ring radiator of my Sonus Stradivarius certainly doesn't lack sparkle (and resolution for that matter) ... it has more sparkle than my previous Amati's Scan Speak Revelator 28 mm tweeter, and in fact it can have to much of it if speaker back tilt is not properly set.
Has also more of it than my Spendor S-100's Scan Speak 19 mm tweeter... it is always difficult to isolate the performance of a particular speaker in unfamiliar systems in unfamiliar acoustics. This is precisely why it is so difficult to choose speakers based on public or showroom demo's.
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#56 Posted : 29 October 2012 23:30:00(UTC)
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Sorry for the lack of specifics and precision, but I was writing in the spirit of a forum - not like a reviewer, nor in the style of war and peace although I will be happy to do this if necessary.

I did not claim to have heard the Q1 either.

I heard the Coltranes driven by both Lavardin amps, and Dartzeel (before Absolute Sounds added 30% to the list price when they took over importing them) - to my ears the Dartzeel displayed a certain golden sheen that gilded the music which I thought was irksome. The Lavardin had a more neutral cleanliness to my ears (though I may well be prejudiced by my conditioning so to speak)

I will say this though, most speakers from a manufacturer, especially those where there is a chief designer, or a core team, will undoubtedly voice a speaker similarly - I don't think anyone can fairly say that two pairs of Avalons are not cut from the same cloth and sound essentially very similar - hence my general list of those speakers that I have heard and liked the sound of. We all know that Spendors and Harbeth, for instance, have the famous BBC sound.

I have heard various Sonus Fabers - some I have auditioned in my system (cremonas) some demo'd (stradiveris), and I am not a big fan - I say this at a risk of being shouted down, and likewise I am sure people may well detest my own set up, but I have tried to see why they are so often the darling of so man reviewers such as Ken Kessler. There are of course people who like single driver horns with flea power amps due to the 'magic' they bring to proceedings - I have never sat down and had a proper listen to say one way or the other.
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